Close Menu
  • Coins
    • Bitcoin
    • Ethereum
    • Altcoins
    • NFT
  • Blockchain
  • DeFi
  • Metaverse
  • Regulation
  • Other
    • Exchanges
    • ICO
    • GameFi
    • Mining
    • Legal
  • MarketCap
What's Hot

Copper–gold “2020 signal” is really about global liquidity, not just Bitcoin

28/05/2026

Hong Kong draws foreign IPO filings from outside China as Blockdaemon tests crypto listing path

28/05/2026

AEON Raises $8M for AI Payments

28/05/2026
Facebook X (Twitter) Instagram
  • Back to NBTC homepage
  • Privacy Policy
  • Contact
X (Twitter) Telegram Facebook LinkedIn RSS
NBTC News
  • Coins
    1. Bitcoin
    2. Ethereum
    3. Altcoins
    4. NFT
    5. View All

    Copper–gold “2020 signal” is really about global liquidity, not just Bitcoin

    28/05/2026

    Bitcoin whale buys $66 million at dip – Can BTC reclaim $78K?

    28/05/2026

    Bitcoin’s Pullback Gains Momentum! Below $73,000 Reached, Here Are the Critical Levels

    28/05/2026

    Bitcoin Standard Treasury Company aims to become the Berkshire Hathaway of crypto

    28/05/2026

    Is ETH an institutional favorite?

    28/05/2026

    Will ETH Crash Below $2K This Week After Key Breakdown?

    28/05/2026

    Will Ethereum Crash Below $2,000?

    28/05/2026

    Ethereum Glamsterdam Upgrade Hits ATH Transactions With Lowest Fees

    28/05/2026

    AEON Raises $8M for AI Payments

    28/05/2026

    Former BNY exec launches NUVA, bets tokenization will remake Wall Street

    28/05/2026

    “It’s Not Targeting the $3 Trillion Crypto Market, but the $600 Trillion Global Market”

    28/05/2026

    Ripple Mints 39.4 Million RLUSD in Just 24 Hours as Stablecoin Activity Accelerates

    28/05/2026

    Cripco Joins Minicoin, Fueling Speculation IPX Is Exiting NFT Business

    28/05/2026

    Tokenized Pokémon Card Sales Surge to Record $7.4 Million in First Week of May

    27/05/2026

    Pudgy Penguins Deepens Ties With Manchester City in Expanded Partnership

    20/05/2026

    We’re building one app for NFTs, meme coins, perps, and major cryptos

    20/05/2026

    Copper–gold “2020 signal” is really about global liquidity, not just Bitcoin

    28/05/2026

    Hong Kong draws foreign IPO filings from outside China as Blockdaemon tests crypto listing path

    28/05/2026

    AEON Raises $8M for AI Payments

    28/05/2026

    Solana Policy Chief Says June Is Make or Break for Senate Floor Vote

    28/05/2026
  • Blockchain

    BNB Chain Launches Agent Survival Pack

    28/05/2026

    Grvt adds 3 tokenized yield funds tied to institutional-grade RWAs

    28/05/2026

    manadia Integrates With Conflux Network to Turn Ecosystem Activity Into Structured Signals

    28/05/2026

    Somnia and LI.FI Partner to Expand Crosschain Liquidity Across the Agentic L1 Ecosystem

    28/05/2026

    Ripple’s Latest Trademark Filings Signal Deeper Push Into Wall Street

    28/05/2026
  • DeFi

    XRP Ledger to delete NFT junk and patch key bugs takes in new upgrade

    28/05/2026

    XRPL could close its biggest DeFi gap if new AMM amendment passes

    28/05/2026

    Coinbase’s Base launches AI tool for ChatGPT to manage crypto wallets and DeFi apps

    28/05/2026

    Stable and Theo Open Morpho Vault for USDT Holders Seeking Real-World Asset Yield

    28/05/2026

    Base re-enters top 10 crypto projects by daily revenue

    27/05/2026
  • Metaverse

    Why Animoca’s Yat Siu says the future is 100 billion AI agents

    07/05/2026

    ‘8,000 Jobs’—Polymarket Sees Tech Layoff Surge As Meta AI Push Bites

    18/04/2026

    Planet Hares Partners With Magne.AI To Bridge Web3 Metaverse With Smartphone Mobile-Ready Applications For Mass Adoption

    08/04/2026

    Mark Zuckerberg’s Meta launches new AI initiative after metaverse retreat

    25/03/2026

    Meta partners with Arm to develop new CPUs for AI deployments

    24/03/2026
  • Regulation

    Hong Kong draws foreign IPO filings from outside China as Blockdaemon tests crypto listing path

    28/05/2026

    Non-dollar stablecoins are struggling to crack 0.5% of market share

    28/05/2026

    “I’ll Let Him Do Whatever He Wants”

    28/05/2026

    Pan-European stablecoin effort expands to 37 lenders in push back against U.S. dollar dominance

    28/05/2026

    Germany’s AllUnity plans Swedish krona stablecoin, pushes into AI agentic payments

    28/05/2026
  • Other
    1. Exchanges
    2. ICO
    3. GameFi
    4. Mining
    5. Legal
    6. View All

    Wallet of Satoshi Moves Merchant POS Service to Self-Custody Amid Rising Regulatory Pressure

    28/05/2026

    Liquid launches Co-Invest app for live trading inside ChatGPT and Claude

    28/05/2026

    Binance to Support Sei Network Migration to SEIEVM, Suspends Legacy Chain Transactions

    28/05/2026

    JPYC to Launch Japan’s First Credit Card Point-to-Stablecoin Swap Service in June

    28/05/2026

    ICO market slows sharply with only six completions in 2026

    30/04/2026

    South Korea Poised to Lift Ban on Domestic ICOs After 7 Years

    19/12/2025

    Why 2025’s Token Boom Looks Both Familiar and Dangerous

    31/10/2025

    ICO for bitcoin yield farming chain Corn screams we’re so back

    22/01/2025

    Could Grand Theft VI be the first ‘crypto native’ video game in history? The internet weighs in

    27/05/2026

    GMatrixs Partners With InsightX To Advance GameFi User Experiences With AI-Powered Web3 Prediction Market Ecosystem

    27/05/2026

    YOM Joins the Blockchain Game Alliance Alongside Ubisoft and Animoca Brands

    24/05/2026

    FishWar Collaborates with XPower Finance To Advance Web3 Gaming Experience With DeFi Yields

    22/05/2026

    DMG Blockchain Revenue Slides 35% in Q2 as Bitcoin Price Squeezes Margins

    28/05/2026

    Hut 8 AI landlord data center strategy turns Bitcoin collateral into bridge capital

    28/05/2026

    Russia set to ban crypto mining in Moscow, prosecute illegal miners

    28/05/2026

    Alps Blockchain Begins Bitcoin Mining at Decommissioned Bolivian Gas Plant

    27/05/2026

    Solana Policy Chief Says June Is Make or Break for Senate Floor Vote

    28/05/2026

    Wall Street gets new crypto rival after Texas bank completes regulatory pivot

    28/05/2026

    Belarus adds cryptocurrencies to list of approved underlying assets

    28/05/2026

    US Crypto Adoption Hampered by Tax Code Complexity, Not Just Regulation

    28/05/2026

    Copper–gold “2020 signal” is really about global liquidity, not just Bitcoin

    28/05/2026

    Hong Kong draws foreign IPO filings from outside China as Blockdaemon tests crypto listing path

    28/05/2026

    AEON Raises $8M for AI Payments

    28/05/2026

    Solana Policy Chief Says June Is Make or Break for Senate Floor Vote

    28/05/2026
  • MarketCap
NBTC News
Home»Ethereum»7 years after the Lubin-Song bet, is Ethereum doing better?
Ethereum

7 years after the Lubin-Song bet, is Ethereum doing better?

NBTCBy NBTC16/05/2025No Comments3 Mins Read
Share
Facebook Twitter LinkedIn Pinterest Email


This is a segment from the Supply Shock newsletter. To read full editions, subscribe.

We’re still early when it comes to crypto, that much is clear.

Some are just earlier than others. That goes for investors, users and, if we’re being generous, blockchain networks themselves.

Today’s newsletter remembers one of the most expensive bets in Bitcoin history, at least only counting bets made outside of trading and investment contexts.

Seven years ago, Bitcoiner Jimmy Song and Ethereum co-founder Joe Lubin made their famous gambit on whether Ethereum apps would gain a certain amount of traction over the next half-decade (with an end date of May 2023).

All things considered, Lubin would’ve lost. Has anything changed in the last two years?

On This Day

The bet went like this:

If a handful of Ethereum apps had an amount of active users on par with a mildly popular iPhone app, then Song would have to pay $500,000 ETH to Lubin.

Otherwise, Lubin would need to pay an equivalent amount of bitcoin to Song.

For Lubin to win, at least five Ethereum “dapps” would need to reach 10,000 daily active users and at least 100,000 active users per calendar month, for at least six calendar months in any one 12-month stretch.

Nobody really uses the term “dapp” anymore, though, so we’ll just call them apps. The real kicker was that the prize money was meant to be pegged to the prices of ETH and BTC at the time of the bet, in May 2018.

So, Song would’ve had to put up 810.8 ETH, worth more than $2.1 million right now, while Lubin had to pledge 69.74 BTC, or $7.25 million in today’s money.

Granted, there’s no real way to determine how many active users any blockchain app really has, Ethereum or otherwise, due to how unreliable the active addresses metric is.

As Blockworks Research puts it, active address counts are not a measure of user growth, so the bet was really doomed from the start.

These lines plot the value of both bets over the past seven years. BTC in orange, ETH in purple.

Still, let’s suspend the disbelief to see how the bet would’ve played out had Song and Lubin actually followed through, arbitrator and all.

We already know that Lubin would’ve probably lost. CoinDesk found there were indeed five applications on Ethereum that had the required level of usage at the time: Circle, OpenSea, Tether, Uniswap and wrapped ETH.

Are Circle, Tether and wrapped ETH really “dapps”? Not really, so it was safe to say that Song was the winner, which would’ve put Lubin millions of dollars in the hole.

Then again, the bet was never officially on to begin with. Sad!

As for whether Song would’ve won if the bet spanned seven years instead of five: not really. Uniswap still meets the minimum threshold, but apps like Banana Gun, 1inch and MetaMask aren’t yet maintaining above the 10,000 active address minimum to qualify, per Artemis data.

Not to mention, Ethereum layer-2s such as Base, Optimism and Arbitrum were not around in 2018, so perhaps the bet would look different if it were made today.

In any case, Song’s original thesis was that if a popular app were to exist on Ethereum, then eventually, a similar app on a more centralized platform (“cheaper, faster, more scalable, more maintainable and upgradable”) would come along and steal those users.

Seven years later, those threats still exist, even if the pie that’s up for grabs is much larger.

Share. Facebook Twitter Pinterest LinkedIn Tumblr Email
NBTC

NBTC is the editorial account for NBTC News, covering Bitcoin, Ethereum, DeFi, blockchain infrastructure, exchanges, mining, regulation and digital asset markets. The editorial team focuses on clear sourcing, timely updates and practical context for crypto readers.

Related Posts

Is ETH an institutional favorite?

28/05/2026

Will ETH Crash Below $2K This Week After Key Breakdown?

28/05/2026

Will Ethereum Crash Below $2,000?

28/05/2026

Ethereum Glamsterdam Upgrade Hits ATH Transactions With Lowest Fees

28/05/2026
Add A Comment

Comments are closed.

Top Posts
Get Informed

Subscribe to Updates

Get the latest news from NBTC regarding crypto, blockchains and web3 related topics.

Your source for the serious news. This website is crafted specifically to for crazy and hot cryptonews. Visit our main page for more tons of news.

We're social. Connect with us:

Facebook X (Twitter) LinkedIn RSS
Top Insights

Copper–gold “2020 signal” is really about global liquidity, not just Bitcoin

28/05/2026

Hong Kong draws foreign IPO filings from outside China as Blockdaemon tests crypto listing path

28/05/2026

AEON Raises $8M for AI Payments

28/05/2026
Get Informed

Subscribe to Updates

Get the latest news from NBTC regarding crypto, blockchains and web3 related topics.

Type above and press Enter to search. Press Esc to cancel.